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Hi, my name is Thais Gibson and the owner and founder of the Personal Development School. This is your daily breakthrough video. And today I want to talk about a really, really important topic, which is this idea that certain personality types, especially the fearful avoidant attachment style, but also be anxious as well, can be riddled with guilt. And I want to talk about the impact of guilt itself.

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I want to talk about effective ways to shift your perception around guilt and to build a healthy relationship to the emotion of guilt. And I want you to understand where this comes from with this issue and what to actually do about it, because this is one of those things. There's a famous doctor named Dr. Garber Mat Day, and you've done a lot of work with them, trauma, chronic illness, all kinds of things.

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And he makes a very strong link between guilt itself as an emotion and and long term problems with health, physical health, specifically, of course, mental, emotional health and well-being are deeply impacted by guilt as well. But there really are long term physical consequences of having too much guilt that you're always receiving and keeping and sort of storing. So I want to go through a little bit of those details today from some of his research.

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And I'm going to talk to you about sort of how everything comes to be and how guilt gets so deeply programed embedded in your nervous system and really what to do about it. So before I get into the topic of these videos themselves, I'm super, super excited. We are launching all of the online personal development courses. We've got our first bunch coming out just in literally just a few weeks.

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If you just want to reserve your Earlybird pricing you have to pay for anything. Right now you just reserve your pricing by putting in which courses you want to reserve on there and the contact information. So without further delay, I am going to jump into this video and I hope I don't have blueberry in my teeth because I just need a bunch of blueberries and if I do, I'm sorry, I'm recording this video in one shot and you'll have to look at the blueberries anyways.

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Okay, so first and foremost, in all seriousness, if this is you and you are somebody who struggles with chronic guilt, there's a beautiful quote by this man that I was mentioning earlier, Dr. Gavin Mountain, and I'm a huge fan of his work. Check it out. He's a medical doctor, but he did a lot of work, I think, as well as a psychotherapist or a psychiatrist.

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And and he went through this whole process and really did a whole bunch of case studies about the mind body connection and how certain emotions are linked to certain chronic illnesses and disease. And and one of the main things that he says is that almost all autoimmune disorders have a strong foundation and chronically start the time scale. So things like multiple sclerosis, Douma, fibromyalgia, you name it usually.

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And individuals are largely riddled with guilt and this is at least a catalyzing factor, according to his research and hence his body of work. So if this is you don't want to take guilt lightly and we want to really take a look at what guilt is, how it's working and what we can really do about it. So first and foremost, usually if you're somebody who's struggling with guilt, it's because guilt for you became a very strong adaptation.

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Survival or adaptation strategy or survival mechanism. So let me paint a picture for you for a moment about how this would look. Okay. And this is this is based on the majority of cases that I see. If a baby comes into the world of children, babies were born with three biological fears, the fear of falling, the fear of loud noises and the fear of survival.

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So when you come into the world and you are wired for that, this biological fear of abandonment, you're wired for connection. You come in and you are like super attuned to your caregivers. And I worked with people under hypnosis, and they'll call up early memories and they'll talk to me about how they're in their crib and they're two years old and they can feel that mom is sad and they can feel that dad is angry and and we are so attuned as children and we come into this world through our parents emotions and our state of well-being.

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And and even then again, I'm just thinking of a thing I was watching not too long ago. She talks about how oh, shoot, not focus, say, oh, he talks about how the best thing a parent can give to their child in the first three years is their own happiness. Because as children, children are super narcissistic in the sense that they just they personalize everything and they feel everything is well on top of that.

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And so if they're personal, that everything we can't help as children but make emotional inferences, like if mom is upset because mom's going through depression or our mom's going through loss or grief for some reason or the only safe place or is violence in the home or instability of some sort, the child is like, Oh, mom's not having a good day.

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The child's like, What am I doing wrong? And so we are personalizing and absorbing all of these things in our environment, especially in the first three years and really the first eight years of our lives, the first eight years of our life, and sort of like digressing here, but the first eight years of our lives, our brain is basically in a state of hypnosis based on the brainwaves we're producing, we're producing mostly alpha and beta brainwaves, which are the predominant brain brainwaves.

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You need to be in either a trance state or a fairly deep state of hypnosis itself. So as a child, that's kind of the state of consciousness that you're operating in. So you're like a sponge absorbing everything. And again, really early on, personalizing everything, assuming that everything is about you and it's revolving around you. So what you're around and what you see, you personalize.

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Okay, so now we're going to link us to go. So if you go through all of these experiences in a very young age where either mom and dad are both emotionally unavailable or because maybe they're both avoidant, dismissive of an attachment styles or because there's some kind of grief in the home, somebody just lost a relative or a member or there's a divorce or there's an absentee parent.

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You have basically, if you have any parents who are emotionally unavailable, and especially in that mix, one is emotional, bailable and withdrawn, and the other one is actually deriving a sense of connection from you in case of their parent who feels unhappy with their partner. So let's pretend, for example, Dad is emotionally unavailable and mom is codependent, and so she's trying to get her emotional needs met from Dad who is not meeting them.

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And so she kind of like cries around you a lot or holds you or when she's sad or down, she goes to to sort of hug you and cry with you or things like that where she's kind of like deriving the sense of nurturing from your presence, from you existing, you know, And I think people can relate to that.

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Like sometimes I'll hear people tell me, clients tell me things like, Oh, when I'm sad, like I'll just go get my dog and call my dog and cry. Like it would be sort of analogous to that. And if this is happening best, whether it's both of them being very withdrawn or they're being sort of this child picking up on their parent's pain and those parents and this is the key point here, those parents not being attuned to their child.

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Okay. So they're not fully attuned to the impact their emotions are having on their children. They're not super aware of their child's needs or well-being. They're not thinking about how their child emotionally processing the world, which, honestly, the majority of us didn't get from our parents, because, of course, our parents are just passing along their own unconsciousness. It's not their fault, but they often didn't get those things met and so on and so forth as you grow up generations.

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Right? So so this is happening and this child's attuned to this parent's emotions. Well, guess what happens? The child starts having this major fear of abandonment because without that attunement, it's going both ways. That child's biological fear of abandonment is triggered because the only way they can feel like they are not getting abandoned is if they feel like that caregiver is attuned to is is emotionally connected to them, is available and present for them.

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Has the emotional bandwidth to be a present parent. All of those things are majorly impactful. They're so seemingly small and they so fly under the radar. But then the magnitude of the impact is huge. So if this is what happens, if these were, the dynamics can be that simple to produce an unhealthy attachment or a form of attachment trauma, that these were the dynamics that you received as a child, then what happens is you will become you will make an adaptation that says, okay, I have to be super attuned to my parents and I have to be hyper vigilant about my connection to my parents in order to stop myself from being disconnected emotionally and

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thus feeling like I might be abandoned. So attunement is essentially like this feeling that your parent is connected to you and vice versa, which sort of insulates this and insulates the being the little child from their own fear biologically of abandonment. Okay, So so let me just give you a little review so far, really, really quick. If you have emotionally unavailable parents, guess what happens?

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You become hyper vigilant. You become attuned to your parent's needs and their feelings as a form of maintaining that emotional connection. Okay, so then guess what happens? You become more connected to your parents feelings and to your more attuned to their feelings and their needs and to your own. And that those are the breeding grounds for these massive amounts of guilt.

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Why? Because you can feel badly for them and you can't really feel badly or feel super connected to your own feelings and needs because it doesn't really feel safe to feel that way anyways. Your feelings and needs don't become your priority if you're too worried about your survival. So. So it'll produce that whole adaptation paradigm will produce this massive fear of being bad.

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Okay. Because if I'm bad, I'll get disconnected from and I might be abandoned. And so there will be this massive core wound or fear or this deep idea that, Oh my gosh, what if I'm bad and bad for you? This was your paradigm became unsafe. It became so unsafe to potentially threaten or violate the emotional connection to your parents that you were giving, that you were showing up for because you didn't have a consistent reciprocity of that emotional connection that made you feel safe enough to try to just be yourself.

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Okay, So this becomes a two layered problem. Why? Well, your emotional body is hyper aware of guilt to begin with, so your emotions are hyper aware, not of guilt, of the potential of guilt so crazy or super afraid of any time that you could be bad or feel guilty or not be good enough in some way to like all these things will be terrifying to you because again, your subconscious might have made a deep link to the potential of abandonment.

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Okay, so the two layered problem here is that you start to become attached to everybody else's needs and under attach to your own feelings and needs. So you'll you'll naturally perceive guilt everywhere because the moment you see somebody upside or down or especially if they're close to you, you'll think things like, I'm not doing enough, I should help them, I should fix them, I should save them.

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If you can't, which realistically we definitely can't help and fix and save everybody, right? We can't be responsible for changing other people so we can't feel like helpless ness. And then even more guilt that we can't fix them or save them or do it right or properly so. So we'll have this and we'll feel guilty. We'll feel sad for other people, will see the person on the street also super guilty for them and not like in a healthy way of compassion and and empathy, but like sympathy and guilt and like all the world's such a bad place and and just things that are disproportionate and not functional, like it's functional to have the compassion for

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the homeless person to offer them your energy or your time or donate money if you think they're using it for healthy purposes, things like that. Those are functional pieces. But to just feel deep sadness and remorse and all these different things, you're just creating your own suffering unconsciously and hurt people. Hurt people. Okay. So I'm going to get into that for a second about how guilt doesn't serve, but so so the two parts of this problem are that, number one, we perceive guilt everywhere because we are over attached to the feelings and needs of others under attach our own feelings and needs.

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And number two is that your subconscious mind will want to hang on to this program of guilt because it thinks that it's unsafe to let go of People who are riddled with guilt will be terrified of being bad. Okay? They'll be so afraid of being a bad guy or a bad, you know. Oh my gosh, what have I hurt somebody?

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Feelings. People will tell me when they're riddled with guilt, things that are like, amazingly guilty. And I've actually had my own experiences of things like this, like major disproportionate guilt, like how small things are. I've had to do a lot of work on reprograming that. So I'll just give you an example. I remember one time one of my friends upset me by something that they they did, or really my perceptions about them upset myself.

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But in this dynamic there was something that happened and I felt that it was inappropriate. And I told my other friend, instead of going directly to the person and this friend kind of brought it up between the three of us and like the level of guilt that I felt was almost debilitating. Like, I remember I canceled the rest of what I was supposed to do for the day because I just felt like, Oh my goodness.

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And a lot of it was because I had some early, early attachment trauma. And so so the reason that this was so strong for me, right, is because my subconscious mind had made this profound link between not being bad and surviving. So guilt became this adaptation or survival structure. Like if I can be super attuned to anything, everybody else's feelings and go to my way to make sure I'm not guilty for anything and I've always been such a good person and all these different things and putting so much pressure on myself to fix or save other people.

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If that's the programing I have, I have way more likely to survive. And that's what that subconscious mind riddled with guilt. That's like the paradigm or the lens or kind of viewing the reality through to a certain degree. And again, it's just an adaptation that the subconscious mind makes. And I'm attuned to others and I show up for them and meet their needs.

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I'm going to get my needs met. At least I'll get some kind of emotional connection, which makes me feel connected and less likely to be abandoned, which is one of my only biological fears, very much related to safety and survival. Help it make sense because I'm just making this sort of thing all the way through. So. So Doctor Matthew, when I mentioned his work, is this amazing book, and it's called When the Body Says No, and this is this book where he's making the link between a lot of autoimmune disorders or chronic illnesses and guilt itself and he says a really profound quote that I've loved forever and has really stuck with me.

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And he says, trauma is two things. Trauma are the things that happened that shouldn't have happened. So, for example, if there's violence in the home, you know, that shouldn't have happened. That's not a healthy dynamic to be in. And and things that didn't happen that should have happened. So this is his quote. Okay. So so what he's saying is that, you know, equal to violence and of course, all cases are different.

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But, you know, just like violence can be a really painful thing. Emotional neglect, a lack of having a child with a healthy, emotionally available parent or both parent, you know, those are their own forms of trauma. And again, it a lot of guilt things away under the radar their way under acknowledged under valued. They're not talked about enough, in my opinion.

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So we're not getting the proper tools for deep resolution around these things. And of course, they're impacting our health. Okay. So you can know that you're struggling with guilt if you are a major people pleaser, if you find yourself trying to fix or some other people's problems, if you think that you're a bad person very easily, if you feel the emotions of guilt, often all these different things.

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So here's what I want to tell you about guilt. Okay, So number one, guilt is not really serving. So it's hurt people. That hurt people. And I can tell you this through every single case of every client I've ever worked with, every person I've ever seen, I would say that unless somebody is seriously like a psychopath from birth with a smaller amygdala and actually brain structural regions that are different, I would say I some people would like this point, but I would say basically every case of somebody who hurting somebody else and I'm not justifying it and I'm not saying the behaviors are okay, but almost every case of somebody who comes in, people to

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another person does so because they're in their own state of deep fear, desperation or suffering. So when we take something like guilt and we guilt ourselves to make ourselves good, it's totally dysfunctional, does not work that way. We don't become better people by causing ourselves more pain and then expecting ourselves to show up better. The reality is we can give what we have.

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We show up according to how we feel. So when we are in a happy emotional space, we have a lot more to give to other people, or we're guilting or shaming ourselves and we feel terrible. And how are we going to show up for anybody, right? We can't even show up for ourselves. So guilt, it tends to. Another thing is there's something called the ironic processing theory in psychology.

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So it's like if I say to you, don't think of the pink elephant, what happens? You think of the elephant. So the same thing applies for guilt. I'm like, Oh, I shouldn't have done that. I shouldn't have done that. I can't believe I did that. Your brain isn't your subconscious mind isn't like really like picking up on all the negative so much like they shouldn't have or don't.

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It really just gets because it's programs or repetition plus emotion. If you're just repetitively focusing on some negative idea I you with negative emotional response basically you're just like wiring in the greater likelihood of you repeating that error. So that's really important to note as well. But I think most importantly, guilt covers the root of the problem. Okay, So I'm going to play out an analogy for you for a moment.

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So let's pretend that you wake up and you are with your husband or your wife and you wake up and your husband takes your husband and you wake up and you get snappy with your husband. You're short with your husband in the morning. And then let's say half an hour later, you're like guilting yourself for it. Like, Oh, I shouldn't have been short with him.

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Why did I make that passive aggressive comment? What's wrong with me? Oh, my goodness. What's he going to think of me every day? And let's say you're building and building and you're getting into that storyline and trajectory of guilt. You are not doing anything productive to solve the root of the problem. It prevents you from inquiring about why you behave that way in the first place.

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So let's say, for example, the reason that you got snappy is because your husband didn't say good morning in the morning and you were craving for emotional connection and he was sort of dismissive. And instead of being able to go to him and say, Hey, a moment ago you were dismissive and and I sort of personalized a little bit and I could really use some connection of presence this week.

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We haven't been spending enough time together lately. Like, instead of being able to inquire about why you behave that way, so you can fix the problem in a constructive manner through healthy communication. Instead, when you literally just judge in shame and guilt yourself, you don't guilt. Actions like this discover over isolating and identifying the root problem that caused you to do the thing that you feel guilty about in the first place, which obviously then prevents you from creating a long term solutions to that problem itself.

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And then people who are riddled with guilt tend to become self-sacrificing because they feel guilty that they acted that way. And when they self-sacrifice, guess what else happens? A conflict or resentment is born of a perception of imbalance. So when you're self-sacrificing because you're trying to alleviate the feelings of guilt that you're having, then often you give too much, receive too little.

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There's this imbalance. You become resentful or frustrated, and you're setting the stage to do something that you feel guilty about again. So oftentimes it just becomes this entire vicious cycle or a loop. And so we have to remove the guilt in order to solve the problem. So instead of feeling guilty and then telling the story that reinforces the guilt, if you notice that you're feeling guilty, I want you to go in and say, Why did I do the thing in the first place that caused me to feel guilty Either what need was I trying to get back or how was I hurting first in a way that caused me to react in the way that

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I did. And then you're actually inquiring we're not we're not here to judge and shame and punish ourselves a million times over. We had enough of that in and we're here to notice our mistakes, to be accountable for them and to go inward and inquire about why these patterns are even existing or repeating themselves so we can dig into the root of the problem itself and truly create solutions.

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Okay, So please remember that if this is somebody if you're somebody that struggles with guilt and you know, another thing I really want you to know is guilt. It's sort of like if we're struggling with guilt, it's been conditioned in us to avoid feeling guilty. It doesn't feel good as a strategy for survival. So a lot of people who are really struggling with guilt, they tend to have this loss of self identity their entire lives, or as long as they're struggling with these guilt sort of patterns.

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And here's why. You know, if I am riddled with guilt, I become so afraid of doing things that can make me feel guilty. I get so afraid of the feeling of guilt itself. I get so afraid of being bad. Right. Because that can mean that disconnect and this threat to my survival. And again, like we don't think that in our adult lives consciously, but our subconscious mind has these programs that have lived forever and that we see the world through our subconscious mind is like the filter we see our reality through.

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So you get into this space where all of a sudden you're so afraid, like you go into your adult life from childhood and you get so afraid of feeling guilty or doing something wrong or bad that you end up spending so much of your life just making decisions as a people pleaser. You don't even make it. You're not even aware of your own feelings and needs because you're too busy in this state trying to avoid guilt.

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And so we lose our self-identity to guilt a lot of the time because we become so afraid of hurting other people or feeling more guilty that we don't make decisions for our own feelings or needs. And basically we spend our lives more focused on avoiding guilt and connecting to our own feelings and needs and creating a life for ourselves that we're interested in living.

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So we live for others. We limit our potential. We tend to perpetuate the problems more and more, the more guilty we feel. We get stuck in that loop, right? We become people pleasers. We often become very codependent. Guilt is a great underlying patterning, the fear of being bad and the hypervigilance to be attuned to other people's emotions as an adaptation or survival mechanism and the link between I am bad, or I could do something wrong, turn other people and feeling unsafe.

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All of those things are the exact patterns you need to be a compendium so there's other ones in there, but those are like major, major. We create resentment the more guilt we have because we tend to keep getting lost in that loop and create that perception of imbalance and and over giving and under receiving. Because we're giving, giving people pleasing.

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And then we're not allowing ourselves to receive this over time. There's this imbalance of give and receive. It doesn't bode well in our bodies for for long periods of time. We have our magic book, like his sort of like thesis of the book is like when the body says no. What he's saying is that people are not learning to say no and express their own feelings and needs and boundaries themselves.

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The body will eventually say no for you. So these are not small things. So here are some core beliefs that I see as well that people have who are really struggling with guilt. Number one, I am responsible for other people's feelings. Tends to be a really huge one. This major belief that I'm bad if I ever hurt somebody and I am selfish, I should help other people before myself.

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And and so these core beliefs will come together and create a lot of pain. So here's what we want to do. If this is your experience, number one, and I'm going to make a separate video about like deep guilt reprograming. But number one, keep a guilt journal. First, you have to notice just how much guilt is showing up in your life.

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Every time I've had this discussion with individuals who think that they're struggling with guilt and then they actually start looking like their guilt, how many things like guilt is everywhere, pervasive? I feel guilty for everything. That's not going to help you live a happy, fulfilled life. It's not going to help you get healthy relationships. It's not going to help you to be physically in good health long term like this is so important.

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And then what you want to start doing is reprograming those core beliefs about bad, selfish, responsible for other people's feelings. I have a cool video on Reprograming your whole body and reprograming around guilt. But just as an initial last thing I'll say in this video specifically, if you want to start looking for your innocence, why is it okay to have your own feelings and need them?

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Another little exercise you can do as well for the reprograming. So go to journal and then go through the seven areas of life career, financial, mental, emotional, physical, spiritual, relational, and right in those seven areas of life, what your needs actually are from others and start creating strategies. It's a form of reprograming anyways. Exposure response strategies to get those needs met yourself sorry, not yourself through those people like you have to start learning that it's okay to be vulnerable.

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Ask for help and you do intend to intentionally and consciously change your relationship to what it means to ask for help and to receive from others so that you're bringing things back into balance so there's no other part of your body or unconscious mind to try to do it for you. Okay. I really wanted to get that all out.

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I hope you think at the end of the video, because there is some important stuff in here. I'll make another whole video on on Reprograming itself. Thank you guys so much for watching. Thank you for being on this journey with me. I really like letting you be on your journey. It's a blessing to see the comments and get the emails and just like have all the connections to all of you that I'm blessed enough to receive and that you're doing this work, that you're jumping into these things and, and, you know, doing the reprograming, doing the re patterning, learning about this stuff, implementing it in your own life.

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I just think it's fabulous and it's a blessing to be able to share this stuff with you guys and be a part of it. So thank you so much and I will see you.