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Thais
Hi, my name is Thais Gibson and I am the owner and co-founder of the Personal. Development.

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School. And this is the first episode of our personal development school podcast. So after listening to so many comments and requests from everybody on the YouTube channel, we decided that we're going to take all of the content, all of the listening and put it into audio format and then create an online personal development school podcast where we'll do interviews, more content, I'll share tips and tools.

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And so we're going to go through a whole bunch of questions today. But before we do, I want to introduce you to Giovanni. This is Giovanni Bartolomeo, you guys, and he is the co-founder and partner in the Personal Development School. And he does all the amazing behind the scenes work. He is an international speaker, hosts these amazing retreats and.

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Does some of the coolest and.

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Craziest stuff. One of those things being the women of Method. So if you want to share a little bit about that for a moment and just a little bit about yourself and then we'll dive into everything for today.

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Thais
Sure. Yeah. Well, thank you for having me on your show. The first show, it's really exciting and I know I'm just here set off to interview you yourself, so it it'll make a little bit easier for you. But my name is Giovanni, and I met a few years ago, and it's one of those things where you instantly click with someone and, you know, so one of those people that you can just really talk about, like how the mind works, all these cool things and I've been into Breathwork and just really personal development for a long time, and I've really been fascinated and impressed with everything that taste is working on.

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So after a few years of being friends, it just felt natural to start working together. You know? I'm also a life coach and one of my, I guess, guinea pigs when I was training to be a life coach was taste and we started talking about what she was doing with with her work and how she was having all these clients, all this success.

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And she wanted to help more people. And it was a natural fit, you know, me being an entrepreneur and her having all of these talents and gifts and yeah, we created this vision to bring this to as many people as possible. So I do a lot of behind the scenes stuff, but I was lucky enough to get out here to share it today with personal moments.

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So thanks for having me. And yeah, look forward to this conversation.

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Amazing. The meeting.

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Cool. So I guess I'll ask the questions and you can roll with it. So let's just start with a bit of your story because I think a lot of the people that watch your channel are really they really resonate with the content because a lot of it is very universal. A lot of people think that you're speaking exactly to them because you figured out some stuff about the way the mind works by noticing it figured out by reading a book.

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So I'm going to give us a little bit about your story and how you sort of came to some of these conclusions about life and your journey.

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Yeah, so so.

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This could be a really long story. So I'll try to sort of simplify it as much as possible.

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But my upbringing with Tough, I had really loving parents who meant really well and, and they were in a lot of chaos. So I experienced a lot of like chaos in the home, a lot of unresolved stuff, a lot of challenges, and a lot of wanting to figure out, like why people behave the way that they do from a really young age to kind of make sense of my reality.

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And then as I got into high school, I was like, you know, really wanting to get out of my home, really wanting to be as far away from home as possible and kind of heal, went through a lot of stuff and and was really focused on like getting a soccer scholarship, like, I'm going to get a soccer scholarship and be free and get away from home and heal.

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And and, and I had a really bad knee injury in my sophomore year of high school and had to have knee surgery, went through this whole process and got addicted to my painkillers. So through that, that became this whole like secondary layer of pain and suffering. And, you know, without going too far into it, I could definitely say that that was probably the hardest thing I ever went through.

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Like harder than any childhood trauma, harder than anything else was just like how painful addiction and being an addict was itself. And I was like, looking for answers. Like, I want I do not want to feel like this forever. So I sort of originally thought, I'll get out of my home and I'll go be far away and I'll get a chance to heal.

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And it really just got worse. And so it was this ongoing, like daily battle and struggle for quite some time, which definitely opened me up to like a high level of empathy for other people and their struggles, I think. And I really was looking for answers. And one of the most powerful things is like after doing what I thought was everything, like inpatient rehab, outpatient rehab, like therapy, all kinds of stuff, and nothing was working.

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You're try.

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Really.

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Hard. Oh, my God.

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Like trying so hard to get better.

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Journaling, like, just, you name it. I was trying to do anything. And and what I learned is, you know, I constantly felt like I was just battle inside of myself, like I wanted to get better. And then I promised myself, okay, this is the last day. This is the last time over and over again. And then, of course, break the promise and feel disappointed.

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And self-loathing was like a really painful and like a lot of like, I can't count on myself. I can't trust myself. A lot of like, it really sort of tore up the relationship to myself, I would say. And and it wasn't until I learned that your conscious mind cannot out will or overpower your subconscious mind that it finally started to make sense.

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And it was like, Oh my gosh. So the part of me that wants the goal of getting better, getting sober, being healthy, and then my subconscious has a different set of intentions and that's why I keep losing. And so it was this huge breakthrough for me to recognize that your subconscious mind is playing such a foundational role in governing your behavior and your patterns and your emotions and how you show up.

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And unless you are trying to heal at that level, you're always going to hit a wall. So that was in my really early twenties, and that was this point in time for me where it was like, Oh my gosh, I almost became like addicted to personal development or like psychology and learning and growing because I felt like that was this.

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I had such a strong hunger to heal and that's what brought me to all of these things. And there was so many days in my journey where I felt so alone and so, like, misunderstood and and I would always make this promise to myself, like, if I, if I get out of this, if I can find my way through this, if I ever like, I literally had this point in my life where I was like, I'll just try to live as happy of a life as possible and I'll just die at like 45.

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Like I'll just die. And almost like, accepted that I was going to be an addict forever. And there was so much of that. And it was like, if I can somehow get out of this, I will do whatever I can to make sure nobody feels like this again and to bring like this awareness to other people. Because I think we all have, whether it's career problems or challenges, whether it's fears, phobias, OCD, like anything, you know, the reason we get stuck in those patterns is because we're not the vast majority of the time addressing these patterns at the subconscious level and actually reprograming those paradigms.

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And so we keep coming up against this wall and we keep being imprisoned by our limiting beliefs or our fears. And until we address them at the subconscious level, change is next to impossible. So I would say a big part of this mission of the personal development school is about bringing this awareness of the subconscious mind and the proper tools to be pattern or reprogram things to, you know, anybody who's looking to fix or change or break through any other area or limitation in their life.

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Amazing. So I'm just really curious, can you explain the process of when you started realizing, wow, this is actually working? Like, what were you feeling like? Was it like the urge to do painkillers was gone? Was it you just started feeling happier on your own? Like what did that transformation feel like from your from your experience?

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Okay, so that really good question. So I would say the first so I, I learned about the subconscious mind and then I learned about it through like, you know, books and awareness and knowledge and then I didn't recognize my own patterns right away. So I was like, okay, I have to reprogram my subconscious mind. But like, what does that really mean?

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And I had to kind of introspect and figure out what that meant for me specifically. And for me, one of the first most painful patterns was the self-loathing. And I think that that comes a lot through people who are addicted and are trying to get better, want to get better. And it's like you're losing that battle to yourself.

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And there's like a lot of self-criticism and beating yourself up for it and like, what's wrong with me? And and so it was funny because I remember sort of being aware of these things and having this process where I would be like, okay, I would come home from from work at the time and I was still doing painkillers and all this stuff, but I was drinking a lot as well, and I couldn't like drink it like open a bottle of wine and not drink the whole thing.

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And then, you know, the nice combination of those two things makes you feel terrible. The next morning I was working at the time, so it was like, okay, I was a highly functional addict the vast majority of the time, but you know, in some ways and kind of destructive in other ways because of all this stuff. So, so it's like flooding all these memories back to me.

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Right? So so there was this point for me where it became, you know, I would be like, okay, I'm just going to have a glass of wine and I'm going to stop there and I'm not going to like get high at all tonight. And I'm going to and I would tell myself these things. And then, of course, I would break that promise to myself half an hour later.

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And I couldn't like put an end. And I would notice that the more I beat myself up, the more I would want to escape my pain. And so it was actually like increasing the amount that I would put into my body. And it was making things a lot more challenging. And so I realized, like, this is one of my programs.

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Like this is one of the things going on in me subconsciously, and I have to like release that first piece, like the guilt, the beating myself up, the self credit. And I recognize that, you know, the things that were so painful to me in my childhood that like in tons of criticism and and the beating up and the, you know, the emotional and sometimes even physical violence was what I was replaying in the relationship to myself and that these were the programs repeating themselves.

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So that was my first layer. And when I had that recognition, then I was like, okay, no matter how hard this is, I know that this way is not working. So whatever I do, I'm going to try to just stop the self judgment and I'm going to learn to be gentle to myself and treat myself like I would want somebody to treat me in the situation with compassion, with kindness, with empathy, with like, Hey, you're doing your best.

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This isn't easy. And I shifted that and the relationship to myself and like the results were tremendous. Like that was the first shift where I didn't feel this, like ongoing hunger and desire and like, depth of fear to let go of my habits. And it was almost like, it's funny to say this, but it's almost like the addictive nature in me started to let go of me instead of the other way around.

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And I had gone through many times and put myself through periods of withdrawals and gone through all the the withdrawal symptoms and all the challenges. And sometimes because I was trying to get clean and sometimes because I couldn't find any of what I needed. And and that was always changing. And the dynamic. But I did it this time.

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So the moment I had this realization, it wasn't the end, but it was probably three or four times before I actually stopped. And so I put myself through withdrawals this first period of time, and I went a lot longer before I got high again. And the space sort of panned out and it wasn't as like it just felt really different and it was sort of this like glimmer of hope, like, Hey, this could actually work and I'm just going to show up for myself in the way that I always needed somebody to show up for me in my childhood or during challenging times or scary times in my home or and and it gave me

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probably and have hoped to keep trying and exploring a new way of treating myself. And as I knew at the time, it was like through the repetition of doing this, that I was going to reprogram these aspects. And so the transformation started off by I would stay sober for longer and I would still go back and have these slip ups.

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But I was doing this myself. I wasn't like in a rehab center this time or anything like that. And so the the sobriety periods would last longer and they would feel easier like they wouldn't because it wasn't like I think I was doing painkillers because I was escaping my emotional pain. And and one thing that I've learned from the past was that the emotional pain itself, even though that happened years ago, it can only stay alive because I'm still repeating those patterns in my own subconscious.

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So, for example, let's say that I have a trauma and there's somebody, let's just say, verbally abusing me at some point, right? Well, I that trauma might have happened if it was really severe. Let's see what's happening regularly when I was a teenager. How is that like the past is gone. So how does the trauma stay alive in in my being?

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Well, it stays alive because I'm reenacting some of those patterns to some degree through the same repetition of negative self-talk, through the same needs that I'm ignoring or repressing that maybe I really needed in my childhood or my early teenage years. And so I'm keeping that alive because I'm repeating those same dynamics and so shifting that awareness, you know, I started going into this.

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What were all those dynamics? Let me bring them to the conscious surface. What was the relationship with my father like? The relationship to my mother? Like, what about the relationship was causing me pain? How are those showing up in my being now and how can I do exactly the opposite? So I'm creating a new program that equilibrate to this old set of programs that I derived from those experiences.

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Does that make sense?

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It makes total sense. It's amazing that for early 20 you're in early.

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2021.

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21, you don't have that level of awareness being an addict at the same time and figuring this stuff out, it blows my mind. Like when I was 21, when I was 31, I was still not even anywhere close to any of that stuff. So it's definitely a blessing. I love the way you said that you became addicted to personal development.

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It was like you used one of your, I guess, characteristics that wouldn't be looked at. So in a positive light and you channeled that energy into like helping yourself, you know, So, so I guess so. So from there, you started figuring out a lot of different tools and techniques where you start having this awareness about how the mind works and how you can apply it to yourself.

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Yes.

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I think one of the like the blessings was my whole early childhood to my my, you know, I won't go into all the details, but I had like a really tumultuous family life. My dad was in jail from the divorce with my mom and there was violence in my household and all that kind of stuff. And both my parents would come to me a lot at a really young age.

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And and I think they just didn't know how to like both them really valued saving face, like, let's not share this with the outside world kind of thing. And so I think it was like, well, who do we go to? Well, our daughter is like this neutral figure. And so I think I was like, lucky enough, as crazy as it sounds to like, be really introspective, really.

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I'm like, Why is this happening? Why are things going like, you know, manifesting like this? And so I think that set that up and this interesting dynamic, thank goodness. But not everybody has that.

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Everyone plays a role in training.

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Yeah.

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And so everyone else that's listening to this, like all of these things that are maybe like really negative or challenging or understandable and it's all playing a role in some form. Once you start figuring out like how these things work, Right?

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Yes. And when you're able to look for what the lesson is in an experience, so you can actually capitalize on it because I think from it, Yes. Yeah, there's something called post-traumatic growth. And I get all excited to teach, but I'll try to say, but there's something called post-traumatic growth, and it's this concept that for us to actually grow through our traumas, we have to be able to go back to them, revisit them, and actually take something from them like, Hey, how can I how can I learn?

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What can I let go.

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Of this in a way that fuels.

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Exactly. And you give your operate yourself the opportunity by capitalizing on that awareness. But in order to do that, you first have to go there and ask yourself that.

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And most people don't want to go there.

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Yeah, it's.

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Painful.

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And because people don't know that they can go there and get something from it, people want.

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To forget that they're bury it, but you never really forget it.

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Not at all.

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It's just buried.

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Deep down there. Yeah.

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So you're you're subconscious mind soars every single memory ever. And it's colored with all of the emotion and talk from the experience itself. So if I were to say to you, okay, close your eyes and tell me your favorite childhood memory, you would close your eyes and you'd start smiling and your body language would open. And these things are just because all the memory and all the emotion is still very much alive.

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Your subconscious can like consolidate some of that stuff, but it's there so that we're carrying that. Like if we have unresolved things from five years old, from ten years old, whatever it is, or we're carrying resentments or things against ourselves, grievances towards ourselves, whatever it is, we have to surface those things and reprogram the associations made there in order to heal from that.

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That event.

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Yeah, that's amazing. So. So you figured all this stuff by yourself and you you ended your addiction and you went to school to to learn about all this stuff. You took in.

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School at the time and I dropped out for like a year because I was just not different emotionally.

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And then, then you went back driven and you finished a degree.

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And.

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So I did my undergrad in psych, and then I did a master's degree in transpersonal psychology.

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So so from what I understand is that then you started working with some clients.

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Yeah. So I would say first, I actually didn't think I would work with clients so early. I thought that, like, this is my healing journey and I'm going to just heal forever. Actually, like had a point in my life where like spirituality had a really big role in meditation and these sorts of things are at a point in my life where I was like looking up like, Can I be a female monk.

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And can I live in an ashram? And I was sort of trying.

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To figure those things out for a little bit. But during this whole time I was like also still trying to learn and put all these pieces together because I was like, I'm having these really profound experiences where I thought I would never heal and this is going to be my life forever. And all of a sudden, like this stuff is working.

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So I was like, So hungry to learn like I had such a fire, still do. And so I end up doing after that too. After I finished my grad program, I did like 13 different certifications and like.

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CBT cannot be hypnosis like anything and everything I could find.

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And then yeah, the transition from that is I, I put a meet up group together to be like, I'm going to share a workshop.

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I remember your first workshop.

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And then I was like, Oh no, I'm not going to do.

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It. And I went to cancel it. And I guess this meet up platform launch is your event within 72 hours if you don't cancel it, it just launched. So all these people had signed up and paid and I was.

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Like, Oh no, the universe is just.

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Like, Thank you and you. And so so you did the event. You got amazing feedback. When did you start realizing that the techniques and tools that worked so much on you could then work on it anyway? Because I think sometimes something works for you. It's like, okay, this works for me. But in the back of your mind, it's like it worked for me.

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That's it. Like, I know, like one of my teachers, Wim Hof, when he realized what he was doing, like it was it was crazy. The kind of like crazy stuff he was doing. Things like, No, no. He knew he could teach it to anybody, and he wanted to just let everyone experience how powerful they were and how they could heal and overcome anything.

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Right. So so tell me about that like experience for you when you realized that these new techniques that you sort of figured out or adapted could start helping people, like maybe some of the first experience people shared with you, like, wow, this is working.

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Yeah, Great question. So, so I always knew like from a really young age, I think I felt so empathetic towards my parents. I always knew that I, like, highly empathize with people and and like overhead. I always knew I was going to do something to help people no matter what, but I didn't think that was going to happen yet.

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So the workshop happened by accident. And then these people ask to do client stuff and and, you know, got an office sort of spur of the moment and all these things and practice failed. And all those things were happening almost like by themselves, which was really exciting and really amazing. But I think there are two parts to that.

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So. So to answer the part where you said, how did you know they could be applied to everybody, I think number one, because I had so many things to heal. So I was like, Oh, this worked for.

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Addiction, took depression, anxiety, this worked for.

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All these things that I was struggling with. And so I think that was a huge thing. Like it worked to let go of resentment. So all the subconscious work when I could surface to the conscious level and isolate what the core issues were, what the belief patterns were, what the thought patterns were, what the stored emotional patterns were, and bring them to the surface.

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I felt I was like, I can change any area of my life. And I was just having like massive, massive breakthroughs on like a really regular basis. And then when I started working with clients, I was getting people from all different walks of life, all different challenges, all different issues. And it was like, Oh, these worked for everybody.

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This works for everything. As long as you can isolate what the problem is and then apply this specific set of subconscious reprograming tools that I developed through all this learning, then anything was feasible, anything was transferable. And I just a massive result. It was like I remember starting my practice and like driving home, just crying.

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Like I'm so lucky because it's like literally, like almost every day for, like a little while there.

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But it was just crazy. It was beautiful to be like, Hey, this. And it also kind of validated my experience. Like, you know, I healed and this like, I'm really healed through this experience. And of course, like I'm still human being and I'll still have fears and things that pop up, but it's like, Oh, I can do something with them.

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And so, yeah, to date there hasn't been a single thing that's been like, This is an issue and this method or this set of methods doesn't apply, which is pretty cool.

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So you started helping people and you start your own practice and you got really busy. Yes. And so that was sort of how the personal development school evolved, I guess, from YouTube channel where you're sharing content for free government school is the name of it.

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I think it evolved through like conversation with you, honestly, like, like I you know, it was I was.

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Ferociously.

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Working because I was like really committed.

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Ferocious understatement, like 80 hours a week. And she's like, I got it. Just people call me and I have no time, but I find a way to fit it in.

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And yeah.

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And because I really wanted to help, I was like, I had this. I think I had almost programed myself so deeply, like.

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Nobody should feel this alone.

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Thais
And I was like, so determined. But it was to be honest, it was almost like it's own limitation, Like I think I was it was too extreme and it was almost becoming like this new, like polarity instead of being centered and rooted and balanced. And so I was so afraid of leaving somebody who needed help. I think is really what it boiled down to.

00;22;44;03 - 00;23;01;13
Thais
So I had to do some work around redeveloping my relationship to that too. And, and, and then I, you know, was speaking with you and I posted some YouTube videos and, and just started to and honestly there was and it's funny because as I'm telling the story today, I'm like, everything happened.

00;23;01;13 - 00;23;04;00
Thais
By accident but but.

00;23;04;00 - 00;23;06;20
Thais
You are no accidents zero.

00;23;06;22 - 00;23;08;27
Thais
But I posted these these YouTube videos.

00;23;08;27 - 00;23;26;28
Thais
And and I was putting them there for like to share like educational purposes. I always like, love teaching and sharing and, and so I post them and I started posting them a little bit regularly. And right away people are reaching out off the Internet. And I know how to and can we book sessions online? And I'm not like the most tech savvy person and growing in that area.

00;23;26;28 - 00;23;39;14
Thais
And so I was like, I can't do online. And then I'm like, either I'm going to figure it out and learn. And and so I started doing all of that and, and then was speaking with you and you were, I think, seemed to me like you have to.

00;23;39;14 - 00;23;43;23
Thais
Figure out a way to structure this better. Like you're working so much and like, what are you doing?

00;23;43;26 - 00;23;58;28
Thais
And so through our conversations, I think we kind of came up with that idea together, like, let's put those into courses and let's put those courses online and like reach people where you can reach way more people, help way more people, and you're not burning yourself out working 80 hour weeks for the rest of.

00;23;58;28 - 00;24;00;12
Thais
Your life because it's not feasible.

00;24;00;14 - 00;24;11;19
Thais
Yeah. So tell everyone about the launch. Like so. So what's happening? What's going to happen October 2nd? Yes. And then tell me a bit about your vision for like the future where you where you see yourself drawing this. Let's start with the launch. Yeah.

00;24;11;21 - 00;24;12;20
Thais
So so we launch.

00;24;12;20 - 00;24;16;28
Thais
October 2nd, which is super exciting. I'm so excited for the launch.

00;24;17;00 - 00;24;40;22
Thais
And, and basically what, what the personal of the school is, it's like this online platform where people can take the subconscious breakthrough methods that we've that I've developed and we've discussed and and apply them to core areas of their life. So I've broken all the courses down into specific buckets. So depression, anxiety, procrastination, self-sabotage, attachment style, challenges, fears, phobia like all these different areas.

00;24;40;22 - 00;24;44;10
Thais
And we've got our first hundred courses set up and our first 50, right?

00;24;44;11 - 00;24;49;22
Thais
She said, Oh yes, she's got a lot planned, but we're launching with.

00;24;49;25 - 00;24;50;27
Thais
Ten our first eight.

00;24;50;28 - 00;24;54;04
Thais
Eight and then it's going to be like 2 to 4 every month after.

00;24;54;06 - 00;25;04;27
Thais
Yeah, I think we'll start like three a month and, and, and then just keep putting out this content and the idea is that like, hey, if you're dealing with a specific challenge and you're finding that you're blocked.

00;25;05;00 - 00;25;06;01
Thais
Here's the root cause.

00;25;06;01 - 00;25;30;12
Thais
Of the challenge. Here's how to surface it to the conscious level. Here's how to reprogram the patterns around it so you can actually break through. And there's no war. There's no like, oh my gosh, my conscious mind is trying to, you know, bulldoze my subconscious and out well and overpower because it doesn't work that way. And so we've broken it down to simplify it, to make it like very results oriented and to make sure that people have like deep levels of awareness and self understanding so that they're also healing the relationship to themselves.

00;25;30;12 - 00;25;47;20
Thais
Because I think we can get caught at a wall somewhere or like a block and we can be like, What's wrong with me? I'm not good enough to break through this, or you know, something's wrong. I'm dysfunctional. And really it's like, no, your subconscious just is sitting in a specific set of programs that it still thinks are there to protect you and save you from something.

00;25;47;23 - 00;25;50;26
Thais
And we have to isolate what those things are and surface them and then really break through.

00;25;50;29 - 00;25;52;27
Thais
The brain's just trying to do its job.

00;25;52;29 - 00;25;53;22
Thais
Oh, my gosh, it's yours.

00;25;53;22 - 00;25;58;27
Thais
It's not fighting against you. So you just have to you have to just tell it what to do in the right way. And it'll it'll help you, right?

00;25;59;01 - 00;26;16;18
Thais
Absolutely. And even when you look like, you know, that was a really you say that and it just hits like Home With me because like when I looked and had that realization about addiction, I was like, Oh, my gosh, addiction might have saved my life in certain cases. Like if if I didn't have something to numb the pain, I'm not sure how I would have managed some of the pain that I was going through at different chapters.

00;26;16;18 - 00;26;38;16
Thais
And so all of these things, your subconscious mind has like a positive intention for and around. And when we can recognize what needs those, those unhealthy strategies are meeting that your subconscious thinks are working, we can be like, Oh, I just need to update my strategies and come up with healthier ways and then make those new programs. And, and so, yeah, anything is transformable in that way.

00;26;38;20 - 00;26;54;14
Thais
So for the for your clients or your, your, the people you've worked with, the people that actually commit to the work, like how effective would you say it is like crazy The crazy right Like more effective than anything you've ever seen before.

00;26;54;14 - 00;26;56;16
Thais
To date I don't think I and knock on.

00;26;56;16 - 00;26;57;25
Thais
Wood.

00;26;57;27 - 00;27;02;15
Thais
But I don't think I've seen one person who didn't, like have massive breakthroughs.

00;27;02;15 - 00;27;11;15
Thais
The key is do the word. If you're willing to do the work, there's a good chance that you're going to learn something about yourself. So have a breakthrough. Yeah, maybe a couple.

00;27;11;22 - 00;27;26;25
Thais
So it's year for the courses because the courses are so like self-taught. Like you have to show up. You can't just know the knowledge. It's sort of like that analogy when I was saying at the very beginning of this conversation, like I learned from the textbook, it wasn't until I saw like how this was specific to my life and applied it that change started to happen.

00;27;26;25 - 00;27;44;02
Thais
So of course, like there's an application necessity required when you're taking the online courses. But if you do that, you know, and the reason for this is because part of how the subconscious is reprogramed is through the repetition component. So there has to be like a little bit of commitment, but it can be like 5 to 7 minutes a day of commitment and things are changing.

00;27;44;02 - 00;28;10;28
Thais
Like it's very simple when you break it down. So I think crazy things I've seen people who I mean addicts go through massive transformations and gets over depression, big time depression, anxiety. It's so frustrating for me to see people now and not frustrating because I'm judging the person, but because I feel like it's like so sad to see the circumstance, but I was at one point in my life to on antidepressants and thought, Oh, I'm depressed for life and all these different things.

00;28;10;28 - 00;28;32;12
Thais
And really it's a set of programs that are there and it's 0%. The person's fault. But they're it's just it's such a simple thing to transform and to change depression and anxiety, both with the right set of tools. And it's so sad to see things where people are on antidepressants for years and years and decades. And and so so I really help people break through a lot of those limitations.

00;28;32;15 - 00;28;49;26
Thais
And, you know, as a result, people have worked with their psychiatrist or doctor to get off very high levels of antidepressants very many times, and then all sorts of other things like crazy things, people having eczema and it clears up and people having these rashes that clear up within the living. There's a lot of.

00;28;50;02 - 00;29;08;21
Thais
Studies that are showing and I know government talks a lot about in some of his books, the relationship between the mind and the body is undeniable. Some of the science now. So absolutely, I can see how, you know, when you help people reprogram their mind that other things are going to start changing. One of the the books or philosophies was about German new medicine.

00;29;08;21 - 00;29;25;11
Thais
I won't get into much now, but they have their own way of they figure out some stuff similar with the mind body relation and they just said the body is like a map to the mind, the emotional body. So you get hurt somewhere or you have some sort of ailment. It's like, Hey, you need some attention over here.

00;29;25;14 - 00;29;37;13
Thais
You know, like there's a there's a correlation to something that's going on internally. So I think that's amazing anecdotal evidence of, you know, people killing their emotions and mental state and the body following.

00;29;37;17 - 00;29;39;14
Thais
Absolutely. Absolutely.

00;29;39;16 - 00;29;50;09
Thais
So where do you see this going? Like in the future? We're going to watch the school. And then I know you've talked about like live events, you know, maybe some some other things. What are you thinking?

00;29;50;14 - 00;29;53;21
Thais
Yeah. So I can't wait to get the first.

00;29;53;22 - 00;29;56;03
Thais
That, of course, is out. I know that. That.

00;29;56;05 - 00;30;15;14
Thais
But just because I think that those target, like so many key areas of life and I want people to be able to enter into the school and open it and be like, oh my gosh, I need answers for this and for this and for this. And those courses are there and the tools are super available. So like, that's the first and super exciting chapter and I want it to reach as many people as possible.

00;30;15;14 - 00;30;30;12
Thais
I want it to create some kind of impact where people know about it and it's, you know, it's a sort of common thing and it's like, I can go here and I can sit at my, you know, in my comfy chair at my home, and I can finally understand what's going on inside of me and why.

00;30;30;12 - 00;30;45;27
Thais
And I think that's that's important because I think that there's some people out there that don't want to talk to someone about their fears, about their traumas, but at least you're giving them an opportunity to do the work by themselves. Like how many how many people that come to you in their just a block like they say, I don't want to talk about anything.

00;30;45;27 - 00;30;48;13
Thais
Can I can I heal without telling you anything about me?

00;30;48;21 - 00;30;50;03
Thais
I don't let them.

00;30;50;05 - 00;30;50;28
Thais
Let them off the hook.

00;30;50;28 - 00;30;53;25
Thais
You know, But there's ways to get, you know, to move in some of these days and.

00;30;53;25 - 00;31;30;26
Thais
Things like that. But but yeah, I mean, the brain is wired to avoid pain, So, you know, there's going to be this natural part of us that goes, oh, the pain. I have to go back to the pain from and see. But the important thing to note and I won't overcomplicate it in this conversation, but the important thing to note is it's it's not the trauma of the experience itself, but it's what we made the experience mean about ourselves, what we made the experience mean about other people or our external environment, what needs were unmet that we keep and, you know, accidentally not meeting in our own lives because it's what we're used to.

00;31;30;26 - 00;31;53;19
Thais
And it's what from it, it's what's familiar and it's the emotional associations tied into those events. So we don't have to go relive everything either. We can go and understand these key concepts and we can do that in the present without even going deep, deep into the specific traumatic events. But just acknowledging, hey, on a daily basis, these are the beliefs I have about myself, about the external world, about, you know, other people, other human beings.

00;31;53;19 - 00;32;15;22
Thais
And and these are the needs and met in my life and diving into that with a few other things and and being able to reprogram those things can help us to do it at a level where we don't have to deeply, deeply interact with the specific incidents of pain. And that's really what the courses are designed to do, is to help us recognize now what we're carrying from our paths without necessarily having to dive moment to moment, memory by memory until it.

00;32;15;25 - 00;32;21;19
Thais
Also I can't wait to take the courses. So is there anything that I haven't asked you that you want to share?

00;32;21;21 - 00;32;25;21
Thais
I think I didn't finish answering your questions. Okay. You said what are the what's the future?

00;32;25;21 - 00;32;26;13
Thais
So yeah, the vision.

00;32;26;13 - 00;32;52;12
Thais
Yeah, yeah. So, so definitely like, have all those courses and have them just really accessible to anybody who's challenged or struggling and, and, and then beyond that point, definitely to, to do live events to connect with more people. I think a lot of people also still want to talk to somebody and have that option. So I think in the future we're definitely planning to train a whole bunch of facilitators and a team and a network to go out and facilitate and share that information further.

00;32;52;12 - 00;33;13;26
Thais
And yeah, just touch and reach as many people as possible that are struggling and and not just struggling. I want to make that super clear, its limitations. If anything, it's like if you are hitting a glass ceiling and in your finances, if you are hitting a glass ceiling in your career, if you're just having a fear or a challenge in your romantic relationship or with your family like this, this stuff applies to.

00;33;13;26 - 00;33;14;29
Thais
Any specific.

00;33;14;29 - 00;33;32;10
Thais
Issue and challenge. And so it's for it's for somebody who wants to just move their life to the next level or somebody who's going through a deep challenge. It's anything and everything. And I'm still on a daily basis applying different tools to new challenges that pop up for myself and like, Ooh, I want to break through this limitation that I found yesterday.

00;33;32;12 - 00;33;35;15
Thais
And I'm still constantly evolving because that's, that's our journey.

00;33;35;15 - 00;33;58;11
Thais
I think it's amazing to see how far you've come with your business. Like you were never really a business person by definition, but you know your business super successful. It seems like you're getting back to balance in your life now. After all the overworking almost. Yeah. Yeah. So yeah. So I'm glad you brought that up because it's not just about people who are struggling, maybe who are on a plateau or people who are.

00;33;58;13 - 00;34;18;13
Thais
Maybe you're overworking, you're doing really well financially, but this is areas of your life where you need to break through. So I love the fact that you've applied some of those methods to everything. And that's why I'm super excited, because I know a lot of areas of my life that I can still upgrade and and optimize for. Oh, my journey of learning is unending.

00;34;18;15 - 00;34;24;19
Thais
Yeah, but it gets it gets so much better and easier. Like, it's not like I'll have to get through this or else it's like, Oh, I.

00;34;24;19 - 00;34;27;12
Thais
Found something and I can transform it or it can.

00;34;27;14 - 00;34;31;10
Thais
Grow and evolve. And I definitely think that's part of why we're all here right now.

00;34;31;13 - 00;34;40;12
Thais
So what's the best advice you have for someone who's struggling right now and and is just listening and really desperate for help? What would you say to them?

00;34;40;14 - 00;35;00;10
Thais
Okay. So if somebody is really struggling, the first thing that is probably most important to do is be gentle to yourself. Like we do this thing as human beings sometimes where we have a problem and then because of our socialized in the system of like punishment and reward, and it's all judgment based, we have a problem and then we turn around and we judge ourselves from having the problem.

00;35;00;10 - 00;35;15;26
Thais
And the really tough part about that is that by judging ourselves for a problem, we get stuck in the story of our problem and how we're not good enough or something's wrong with us or whatever it is. And what that does is it acts as a buffer that prevents us from identifying the root causes of why we have the problem in the first place.

00;35;15;29 - 00;35;31;28
Thais
So let's say my problem is anger, for example. Okay? And let's say I become this really angry person. If if I'm struggling with anger and then I'm like, Oh, what's wrong with you? You're so angry. You've got issues, you've got problems. I don't get to see why I'm angry in the first place and identify what the root causes are.

00;35;31;28 - 00;35;44;03
Thais
And what we see with people who are struggling with anger is usually they're poor at setting boundaries. They feel unseen, unheard and powerless. And so what is anger do from the subconscious mind or anger is a subconscious strategy to get all those needs met in one fell swoop.

00;35;44;03 - 00;35;45;06
Thais
Right? It's like I.

00;35;45;06 - 00;36;05;13
Thais
Get angry, I get loud, I get seen, I get heard, I take my power back finally, because I'm like empowering myself. And I set a boundary through my anger. And so if we're too busy judging ourselves for, the surface story of what's going on and what the challenges that we're facing, we prevent ourselves from identifying the root cause of why we're doing what we're doing and how to actually transform it.

00;36;05;13 - 00;36;27;16
Thais
And so I think what I would say is to to take the judgment away to to bring some compassion, understanding towards yourself, and then to deeply ask like, why? And you can look at this as if there's something going on in my life. What we know with her research is that it's a subconscious strategy to get a specific need that so whatever you're doing that you don't like or that you're upset about, ask yourself, what need is this meeting?

00;36;27;16 - 00;36;49;20
Thais
And then how can I get that need met in some kind of healthier form? And I think that's a really good place to start because it brings that level of deeper introspection, deep awareness, and it takes all that unnecessary self judgment out. And and remember, like those thoughts of self judgment or pain or producing emotional responses which are producing neurochemical responses and then sometimes contribute to a chemical imbalance if that's something that you're caught.

00;36;49;20 - 00;37;01;26
Thais
And so so it's really important to correct that internal dialog as well, because It it has a response on the rest of the body and, and we want to be able to transform that and then get to the roots.

00;37;01;29 - 00;37;16;25
Thais
Amazing. Okay, so we went through a lot so far. Is there anything else you think that I should have asked you that I haven't about personal at school, about anything in particular you want to share for this first episode?

00;37;16;27 - 00;37;39;09
Thais
I don't. I mean, I really that comes to mind is like gratitude. Like I just if there was something I would want to share, it's just gratitude that people are engaging in this, that people are like taking accountability for themselves and their healing process. Like it's been a short journey online so far, but it's been so beautiful just to see so many people doing this work on themselves and like just taking to it so much.

00;37;39;09 - 00;37;49;14
Thais
And I get like incredible emails and all these different things and people who are like showing up for themselves and like, thank you to all everybody doing that because it's so it like touches.

00;37;49;14 - 00;37;51;12
Thais
My heart so deeply and it's so beautiful.

00;37;51;12 - 00;38;08;01
Thais
I get to make a wager that the name Ties is going to become one of the most popular baby names in the next five years after you get on Oprah, Ellen and Dr. Oz. Okay. I'm going to put that wager down there, too. So if you guys are listening or if anyone that knows them, just put a word in to get peace on the show.

00;38;08;03 - 00;38;21;14
Thais
It's going to change a lot of lives. Yes. And I have so much gratitude for you and all the work that you're doing. So does everyone that watches your videos and the people you work with one on one. So thank you. And I really look forward to seeing how much impact this is going to make in the world.

00;38;21;17 - 00;38;29;20
Thais
I'm super excited to be a part of this, so thank you for trusting in me to help you, you know, achieve what we're going to achieve.

00;38;29;22 - 00;38;30;24
Thais
And thank you.

00;38;30;25 - 00;38;31;18
Thais
To you.

00;38;31;18 - 00;38;37;14
Thais
For helping make all this possible. Like I hope your knowledge and expertise and everything you've.

00;38;37;14 - 00;38;38;13
Thais
Done to bring this.

00;38;38;13 - 00;38;40;02
Thais
Together is just incredible.

00;38;40;02 - 00;38;42;00
Thais
And I couldn't thank you enough either.

00;38;42;05 - 00;38;44;24
Thais
And also want to thank Wow or a videographer.

00;38;44;24 - 00;38;46;03
Thais
Amazing video.

00;38;46;06 - 00;38;52;16
Thais
Creative. One of our creative. We have some really creative people on the team. Your sister? Sure. Yeah And my sister.

00;38;52;19 - 00;38;53;06
Thais
Powerhouse.

00;38;53;07 - 00;39;14;05
Thais
To social media. So just I think all the whole team because it's really important to have an amazing team and you're working on a project like this or to bring that energy through. So a lot of it, yeah. So busy personal moments. Qualcomm tickled the YouTube channel. Followers on social media taste has an awesome Instagram account at Tay's in Follow It.

00;39;14;05 - 00;39;17;07
Thais
It's gonna be posting a lot of pictures.

00;39;17;09 - 00;39;18;20
Thais
I'm not the biggest.

00;39;18;22 - 00;39;20;03
Thais
He's getting good.

00;39;20;06 - 00;39;24;18
Thais
I'm working on a theory of my life. So that's amazing. Grace.

00;39;24;21 - 00;39;46;05
Thais
Hello. Hello. Follow us on Instagram, Facebook. Check it out. You can sign up for the pre-launch online, but your email ID will be definitely sure to keep you in the loop as we're coming up to October 2nd. I'm just going to be like a free webinar coming up and it's a free eBooks. You can download off the website and on the YouTube channel, there's so much amazing content that you can already dive into like right now if you check it out.

00;39;46;05 - 00;39;52;03
Thais
So yeah, thanks. Check all that out and we'll see you soon. Yeah.

00;39;52;06 - 00;39;53;04
Thais
Thank you so much.