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Dr Joe Dispenza
When you begin to teach your body emotionally, but it feels like your body begins to believe it already has it because you're emotionally embracing it, then you're less likely to force outcomes, control outcomes, fight for outcomes because you feel like you already have what you're looking for. And when you're in that state, you take your foot off the gas and now all of a sudden you start having very profound experiences, synchronicities, serendipity, opportunities, doors opening because you're in a different state of being alone.

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Thais 
And welcome to the Personal Development School podcast. I am so excited you're here. I am your co-host, Titus Gibson, along with our new special host, Mike Vizio. This is a podcast that discusses everything related to integrated attachment theory, the new attachment theory along with the subconscious mind relationships. Communication needs boundaries and so much more. Throughout this podcast, you'll see a series of episodes I upload with new information, educational tips, all about how to thrive in relationships and really master your emotional state in your life.

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Thais 
Along with special guests hosted by Mike Rizzio to discuss all of these amazing topics. It's a longer form content. Thank you so much for being here and I really hope you enjoy this episode. Good afternoon and welcome to our podcast. We are so honored to have Dr. Joe Dispenser here today. Dr. Joe is an international researcher, speaker and teacher who has taught in over 32 countries on five different continents worldwide.

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Thais 
He works to help people tap into their greatness and maximize their potential. Along with numerous bestselling books, he teaches online classes and workshops, of course, the variety of empowering seminars and corporate consulting. Dr. Joe's research intersects the latest findings from the fields of neuroscience, epigenetics and quantum physics, with the science of spontaneous remission and healing. His teachings and research have empowered hundreds of thousands of people worldwide, and I'm excited to get into a topic today how to reprogram your behavior.

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Thais 
But before we get started, I just wanted to ask you personally, what brought you into this field? What made you so passionate about conducting this sort of cutting edge research?

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Dr Joe Dispenza
Well, I think for some of us to wake up, we need a wake up call. And in 1986, I was in a triathlon in Palm Springs, California, and I was on the biking portion of the race. And there was a police officer on the corner that was instructing me to turn, and I was passing two bikers on the corner.

00;02;30;11 - 00;02;49;26
Dr Joe Dispenza
And when I made the turn there, he had his back to the oncoming traffic. So a four wheel drive bronco going about 55 miles an hour catapulted me out of my bike and I wound up breaking six vertebrae in my spine and and I had bone fragments on my spinal cord. I had the neural arch of the eight drastic vertebrae broken, and I was in trouble.

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Dr Joe Dispenza
And I had some some motor function in the neurological functions that were limited. And so so the normal procedure in something like that is a radical surgery where they take off the back parts of your vertebrae and grow in these rods called stainless Harrington rods that are stainless steel rods. And and for me, after four opinions from four of the leading surgeons in Southern California, they all said Harrington around surgery, I decided to go against the surgery and see if I could go myself.

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Dr Joe Dispenza
And I started my journey on this, on this whole adventure. And then after that, I got back on my feet in ten weeks. And then I was training in 12 weeks. And and then I started studying spontaneous remission and people that were treating conventionally unconventionally, getting sick. And all of a sudden they got better. And I want to know what the cause was that produced that effect.

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Dr Joe Dispenza
So I wrote a book called Evolve Your Brain and then What the BLEEP came out, and then I wrote a second book and then just I think it just evolved into more about the how to in other words, if it if it helped people, if I found out what the things were, that one common that people had spontaneous remissions, could I teach it?

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Dr Joe Dispenza
Could I reproduce the model? So that's when the how to started coming into it. And so it made some really great strides in the last ten years. And just in discovering what's possible for human beings, that's incredible.

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Thais 
That's a great story as well. So to dive right into everything, I've heard a quote not too long ago and it said Genetics slope, the garden environment pulls the trigger. And I sort of feel like it's more a perception of the environment that pulls the trigger. And I wonder if you have any comments to add around that or to explain some of what that might mean and what your take is.

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Dr Joe Dispenza
Sure. I mean, let's start with genes. Genes are like Christmas tree lights turning on and off all the time, and your body in itself is a protein producing machine and proteins are responsible for the structure and the function of your body. The proteins, the expression of proteins literally is the expression of life. So science used to say that genes create disease for less than 1% of the people on the planet are born with a genetic condition like Tay-Sachs disease or sickle cell anemia or type one diabetes.

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Dr Joe Dispenza
The other 95 to 99% is from lifestyle and behaviors. So what we found out is that the science began to say that it's the environment that signals the gene. And yet you could have two people working side by side in the same factory, both exposed to the same carcinogenic chemical. One gets cancer and the other doesn't. So then there must be some internal order that is also the outer environment of the cell.

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Dr Joe Dispenza
So think about this set of science says the environment signals the gene. The end product of an experience in your environment is called an emotion. It's our emotional reactions to the environment that tend to select it and instruct different genes to make different proteins. So once you have an experience in your life that causes you to feel pain or sadness or guilt or shame or anger or fear, most people are defined by that emotion.

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Dr Joe Dispenza
And then those emotions tend to drive their thoughts, their thoughts. Then produce the same chemicals from the field, the same emotions, and those emotions influence the same thoughts. And they caught in these loops. Now the body is the unconscious mind, and it doesn't know the difference between an experience in your life that creates an emotion and emotion that you're creating by thought alone.

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Dr Joe Dispenza
So the body's believing it's in the same environmental condition 24 hours a day, seven days a week, 365 days a year, because the same emotion is still affecting the same cell. And now we're headed for a genetic destiny. So then can you teach people then how to signal the gene ahead of the experience? And the answer is yes.

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Dr Joe Dispenza
By combining a clear intention with an elevated emotion, not fear or anger or hostility or guilt or shame, but instead gratitude, joy, freedom. And the love for life is it possible then that person can begin to regulate that state and knock on the door, turn on a new light, turn off an old light. That new light makes a new protein.

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Dr Joe Dispenza
The proteins responsible for the structure and function of the body. And all of a sudden the person has some of a biological change. And the answer is yes. We've measured it enough times to tell you that's absolutely possible.

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Thais 
It's incredible. And you had a blazing explanation just to take from that. So what you are saying is that literally, if we are setting an intention for our lives and choosing our thoughts and how that impacts our emotional state, we are directly impacting our genes express themselves.

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Dr Joe Dispenza
Exactly. So let's let's let's create a contrast. A people wake up in the morning, they come back to their senses. The first thing they do is they start thinking about their problems. And those problems are are connected to people and places at certain times in their life. And those problems produce emotions like unhappiness or sadness or anger, frustration.

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Dr Joe Dispenza
So if the brain is a record of the past, it's an artifact of everything you've learned and experience. To this moment, feelings and emotions are the end product of the past experience. So how you think and how you feel creates your state of being So most people, they wake up in the morning and their entire state of being is in the past.

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Dr Joe Dispenza
So they're going to show up predictable in their life. Their past is literally going to be their future, and their future is going to be more of their past. So then how do we get out of the biological past and into a new future? When you combine a clear intention, a vision, a new possibility in your mind, and the thought in your mind literally becomes the experience, The end product of the experience is called an emotion.

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Dr Joe Dispenza
You should start feeling inspired, enthusiastic, overjoyed. When you combine that clear intention with an elevated emotion, your brain and body move from living in the past, present reality to living in the future. Presently and now you're in a new state of being. The act of repeating that enough times creates a parallel, right? It begins to install the neurological hardware in your brain and begins to condition your body no longer into the past, but now into the future.

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Dr Joe Dispenza
And now you're in a new state of being. And a new state of being is a new personality and a new personality. It's connected to a new personal reality.

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Thais 
It's incredible. Absolutely incredible. And so I think a lot of people I noticed are sort of on autopilot or they're identified with their thoughts and their emotions. It's almost like we are just sort of the product of our environment. In the past, what advice do you have for how we can start to notice our thoughts start to set these intentions, start to break out of these patterns or routines or programs.

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Dr Joe Dispenza
These these are good questions. And I think so think about it. Most people think about 60 to 70000 thoughts and wondering out of those 60 to 70000 thoughts that you think in one day, 90% of those thoughts are the same, you believe that your thoughts have something to do with your destiny. And 90% of the time you're thinking the same thoughts.

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Dr Joe Dispenza
Your life is going to stay the same because the same thoughts lead to the same choices. The same choices lead to the same behaviors. The same behaviors create the same experiences. The same experiences produce the same emotions. The same emotions begin to drive us. So now your biology, your neuro circuitry, your neurochemistry, your hormones, and even your genetic expression stays the same.

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Dr Joe Dispenza
And there's a principle in neuroscience that says that nerve cells that fire together, wiring together. So you keep that pattern going extensively. You begin to hardwire your brain into a very finite signature with that finite signature of that box in the brain by the time we're 35, your soul becomes our identity. A set of memories, behaviors and emotional reactions, unconscious habits, beliefs, perceptions, language, even our attitude functions like a subconscious programed computer program.

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Dr Joe Dispenza
So now 95% of most people are memorized states in which they've done something so many times that the body now has become the mind. And once the body becomes the mind, now we're in a habit. And when we're in a habit, we're on autopilot. And our bodies dragging us into a predictable future based on what we've done in the past and we've lost our free will to a program.

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Thais 
Absolutely. And then we get into a state of learned helplessness. Right. And and so just to make it really clear as well for people who are going to be watching this, let's say this is an example of this. So if you grow up and you felt, let's say, trapped and helpless and powerless and and that was sort of your conditioning in your environment or at least what you perceived in your environment at that time, Does that mean that we are just going to be replaying that state over and over again of feeling trapped, helpless and powerless?

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Thais 
Or what other examples do you have to really clarify this for people watching?

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Dr Joe Dispenza
Okay. Well, I mean, it's really simple. Let's start on two levels. The first level, when we have highly charged emotional experiences in our life, okay, the stronger the emotion we feel from the experience, the more altered we feel inside of us, The more altered we feel inside of us, the more we pay attention to what's causing it outside of us.

00;11;30;26 - 00;11;53;10
Dr Joe Dispenza
And in that moment, the brain takes a snapshot that's called memory. And so then we tend to sync neurologically within the circuitry of that experience, and we tend to feel chemically within the boundaries of those emotions. So then the person then is trapped by their own biology. They're conditioning their body more into the past and their firing and wiring those circuits far into the past.

00;11;53;10 - 00;12;13;19
Dr Joe Dispenza
So now the person with their 5% of their conscious mind wants a new life, wants to change, but their body has been conditioned into the no into the familiar. So some people would rather hold on to the resentment or regret, the guilt, the shame, and step into the unknown because the unknown, you can't predict it. It's scary. It's uncertain.

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Dr Joe Dispenza
So. So people cling to what they know, not consciously, but mostly unconsciously, because they're now caught in a pattern.

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Thais 
Absolutely. Absolutely.

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Dr Joe Dispenza
So then the hardest part about change is not making the same choices you did the day before. And the moment you make that choice, get ready because it's going to feel uncomfortable. It's going to be unfamiliar. Now you're in the unknown, and most people, if they're in the unknown and they can't predict their life, the body, which has been conditioned by the mind, starts sending signals to the brain.

00;12;46;15 - 00;13;02;27
Dr Joe Dispenza
You start hearing these voices in your head saying, Start tomorrow. It's too hard. You know, you'll never change it too much like your mother. And you accept that thought. It's if it's true, that thought will lead to the same choice, which will lead to the same behavior, which creates the same experiences, the same emotion, the person will say, this feels right.

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Dr Joe Dispenza
No, no, no, no. That feels familiar. Comfortable going from the old self to the new self is the neurology called the biological, the chemical, the hormonal, the genetic death of the old self. And that place that a no, we have to reframe our thinking is the perfect place that you want to create. So the next question is what thoughts do you want to fire at the wiring your brain and put your attention behind?

00;13;25;06 - 00;13;46;27
Dr Joe Dispenza
What behaviors do you want to demonstrate in one day, in one lifetime? The act of closing your eyes and rehearsing those actions, planning your actions when the brain is truly present doesn't know the difference between what's going on out there and what's going on in here. You begin to install the neurological hardware in your brain in preparation for the experience, because now the brain is no longer a record of the past.

00;13;46;29 - 00;14;08;01
Dr Joe Dispenza
Now it's a map to the future. And if you keep firing and wiring, firing and wiring, the hardware becomes a software program, which means you may just start thinking like an impulsive person. You just may start acting like you're more on limits than the tough part. Can you teach your body emotionally what that future is going to feel like before the event happens?

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Dr Joe Dispenza
And if you keep drafting the body emotionally over and over again, you're going to begin to realize you're not going to wait for your healing to feel wholeness. You're not going to wait for your success or feel empowerment. You're not going to wait for your wealth to feel abundance or the mystical moment to feel are the new relationships of the old love.

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Dr Joe Dispenza
That's the old model of cause and effect. Waiting for something outside of us to give us relief from the emptiness or pain we feel inside of us. But when you begin to teach your body emotionally, but it feels like your body begins to believe it already has it because you're emotionally embracing it, then you're less likely to force outcomes, control outcomes, fight for outcomes because you feel like you already have what you're looking for.

00;14;47;03 - 00;14;59;27
Dr Joe Dispenza
And when you're in that state, you take your foot off the gas and now all of a sudden you start having very profound experiences, synchronicities, serendipity, opportunities, doors opening because you're in a different state of being.

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Thais 
Absolutely. That's amazing. And it's funny because I've heard things. I've heard of tools like auto suggestion where you can sort of place like repetitive thought with emotion to sort of reprogram that subconscious comfort zone. And in that case, how important you just said we have to teach our bodies how to actually feel that kind of emotion. How important is that part?

00;15;20;24 - 00;15;25;25
Thais 
I think we just think, oh, it's all in the mind. How important is that part and how is it impacting us?

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Dr Joe Dispenza
No, I mean, it requires the mind and the body, because the mind and body is a new state of being. So you could say I'm wealthy on wealthy and wealthy and wealthy. I'm healthy, I'm you about unlimited, unlimited, unlimited. But your body's been emotionally.

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Thais 
And it's not.

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Dr Joe Dispenza
Your body's negativity. Fear of lack of happiness that thought stops at the brainstem. So you will only accept, believe and surrender to the thoughts that are equal to your emotional state. And you'll believe in surrender to any thoughts that are not equal to your emotional state. So in our training, where we train people how to open up their heart, we train them how to feel gratitude, how to sustain an emotion like appreciation, joy for existence, a love for life.

00;16;07;03 - 00;16;34;03
Dr Joe Dispenza
And they trade guilt and pain and suffering for joy, freedom and and and gratitude. And if you keep doing it over and over again, it's easier. And easier to cultivate those states. So then, if you're feeling gratitude as an example, the emotional signature of gratitude means an event has already happened. You give thanks when you get something, and so feeling gratitude before you start your creation, you're going to accept, believe, surrender to the thoughts equal to that emotional state.

00;16;34;08 - 00;16;46;29
Dr Joe Dispenza
Now you'll be program your autonomic nervous system into a different destiny because you're suggestible. So the information holds your emotional state. Well, see where people begin to make very significant changes.

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Thais 
That's incredible. And do you think we're addicted? Like, is there part of us? We talk about comfort zone, but do you think that we're addicted to those stocks that are creating those negative emotions, for example?

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Dr Joe Dispenza
Okay, let's talk about it. Let's talk about it. Because when you react or respond to some threat or some condition in your life that's unpredictable, that you can't control or you have the perception that could possibly get worse, you turn on a primitive nervous system called a fight or flight nervous system. The moment you turn on that fight or flight nervous system, you're in survival.

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Dr Joe Dispenza
And living in survival is living in stress. And stress is when your brain and body are knocked out of homeostasis. Turns out when the body gets a rush of adrenaline and those and those survival chemicals, the brain and body get aroused, people begin to become addicted to that rush of energy. So they use the problems and the conditions in their life to reaffirm their addiction to that emotion.

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Dr Joe Dispenza
So they need the bad relationship, they need the difficult situation, they need the traffic. They need that they need the poor relationships because it makes them feel a lot. Now, think about this. Human beings can turn on the stress response just by fight alone. They can think about their problems and turn on the same faculties as if you're being chased by a predator.

00;18;01;28 - 00;18;21;09
Dr Joe Dispenza
Yeah. So then think about it. If the almonds of stress are addictive and you can turn on the stress response just by fight alone, then you can become addicted to your own thoughts. And if using the problem some people in your life to reaffirm your addiction to emotion, then you become addicted to the life you don't even like.

00;18;21;12 - 00;18;41;04
Dr Joe Dispenza
It's a sad fact. It's a fact the stress push the genetic buttons that create disease. Wow. When on the stress response, just by fight alone, it means your thoughts can literally make you sick. So if your thoughts could make you sick, is it possible then the thoughts could make you. Well, that's that's the fundamental question.

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Thais 
Absolutely. And so if our thoughts can make us well, is this back to just starting the intention, you know, how important is something like meditation and really changing this paradigm for ourselves?

00;18;54;00 - 00;19;14;10
Dr Joe Dispenza
Well, we've we've proven this to be the absolute case. So when you change the way you think, in the way you feel, you change your state of being. So we took 120 people and we measured their cortisol levels, their stress hormone levels, and we measured a chemical in their body called immunoglobulin. A It is the primary defense in your body against bacteria and viruses.

00;19;14;16 - 00;19;36;29
Dr Joe Dispenza
It's better than any flu shot. It's the body's natural defense system that kills bacteria, viruses, it kills molds. It's those funguses. It is the internal defense system. So if you're living by the hormones of stress and your cortisol levels are up and you're mobilizing all this energy for some threat in your outer environment, you have no energy in your internal environment for long term building projects or growth and repair because you're an emergency.

00;19;37;02 - 00;20;05;11
Dr Joe Dispenza
There's a war out there. There's no homeland security because you're sending all the expenses and it's compromised. So I said, okay, let's take 120 people and let's teach them. Instead of feeling anger and resentment and fear and impatience and frustration and sadness and pain, they're all derived from the hormones of stress. Why don't we just teach them how to feel love and gratitude and joy and freedom, and let's measure their heart when they're doing it properly to make sure they're creating that state so we can get feedback.

00;20;05;18 - 00;20;32;15
Dr Joe Dispenza
Yeah. So cortisol levels were high when they came in. IgG levels were low four days later, just by opening their heart and creating an elevated emotion and combining with a clear intention, their cortisol levels went down about 17% and their IgG levels went up 50%. That means they turned off the gene cortisol and they turned on the gene for health and regeneration in their body in four days.

00;20;32;15 - 00;20;56;03
Dr Joe Dispenza
Now, as a pharmaceutical company, you had a drug. You could do that every every commercial time to get our nervous system is the greatest pharmacist in the world. So we're teaching people how to disconnect from their outer environment and to go within, to sit their body down and get beyond the feelings and emotions of their body and their sensations to the body and get beyond their schedules in time.

00;20;56;07 - 00;21;03;02
Dr Joe Dispenza
That's what meditation does. It allows your inner world to start to become more real than your outer world. And it's a skill Beautiful.

00;21;03;02 - 00;21;30;13
Thais 
That's incredible. And I just love these statistics to really prove that because we hear all this talk about these different things in personal development communities, but it's like you have the real evidence to support this, really influence people's perceptions and behaviors. So I have some really exciting news, and it's that integrated attachment theory training is back. In other words, you can be trained to become a relationship coach, certified and integrated attachment theory in literally 60 days.

00;21;30;13 - 00;22;09;07
Thais 
So who's it for? Well, of course it is for any individual who wants to make an impact and really be of service to others while also obtaining freedom and flexibility and abundance in their lives. And this is also for anybody who's already a counselor, a therapist, a coach, and just really wants to expand their toolkit. We've had so many people enter into the Integrated Attachment Theory program because they're just looking to obtain a certain degree of mastery in terms of understanding their own attachment patterns, and also the attachment patterns of maybe their children or partner or other loved ones in their lives so they can really support those people and understand them more deeply.

00;22;09;10 - 00;22;32;24
Thais 
So please keep in mind that the last two times we ran this program, we filled up very fast and fact we oversold the programs and sold up completely. So if you're interested that click the link below to learn more and dive in with me. And I'd love to see you on the other side before seats run out. I've actually heard you say in a talk that you did once that there was a journal published, I believe in Scientific American.

00;22;32;24 - 00;22;49;21
Thais 
It said over 50% of our memories from the past are incorrect. They're just wrong. And and can you talk about this for a second? Like, how so? We're sad that our memory, because it's all colored with emotion, it's creating so much of our lives. How is is this impacting?

00;22;49;23 - 00;23;14;07
Dr Joe Dispenza
Well, it's really funny because there's some great research on memory right now, and they're basically saying that memory is creative because we don't have the same brain that we had at the time of the event. So they're finding out that 50% of what people talk about in their past aren't even the truth. Now we know what that means, that people are reliving a life that they never had.

00;23;14;09 - 00;23;31;16
Dr Joe Dispenza
So what people do is they feel unhappy, they feel bitter, and then they associate that emotion with some experience that's happened in their past. But they actually embellish that experience to reaffirm the emotion that they're having. They need a little bit more of that emotion, a little bit addicted.

00;23;31;18 - 00;23;31;23
Thais 
Yeah.

00;23;31;27 - 00;23;53;25
Dr Joe Dispenza
Yeah. So now a little bit more to wake up. So, so so people that are telling stories, narratives about their past that aren't even the truth. And my theory is forget about the event, overcome the emotion and the memory without the emotional charge is called wisdom. And that's the name of the game. You never talk about your past and complain about it when you're happy in your life is working.

00;23;54;00 - 00;24;16;14
Dr Joe Dispenza
Absolutely huge evidence then that when you're unhappy, you're in your past. And so how do you teach people to drag the brain and body out of the past? I mean, that's the work. And and my interest in why I wrote Becoming Supernatural is because I wanted to show people that how how powerful they really are and give them the evidence to show them that they don't need something outside of them to change how they feel inside of them.

00;24;16;17 - 00;24;33;19
Dr Joe Dispenza
They can do it by thought alone, and when you do that, you become more empowered and your life begins to change. So. So think about it. So most people react to people and conditions in their life. And then you say, Why are you unhappy? Why are you sad and why are you this way? And I'll say I am this way because of that person or that thing outside of me, which means.

00;24;33;19 - 00;24;34;26
Thais 
I give my power away.

00;24;35;02 - 00;24;50;10
Dr Joe Dispenza
Yeah, exactly. How does that happen? Let's break it down. The stronger my emotional reaction to you, the more I'm going to pay attention to you. Yeah. Where I place my attention is, where I place my energy. I'm giving my power away to you. And now my energy is co-mingled with your energy. And I have no energy to create a new life.

00;24;50;16 - 00;25;14;20
Dr Joe Dispenza
So then lower the volume to the emotion and begin to take your attention off that person or that condition. You break the energetic bonds and that's available energy coming back to your field that you can design and destiny with. And we've measured that too. So then the moment you start creating now and you're no longer a victim to your life, someone outside of you is doing it to you and you start changing the way you think, in the way you feel.

00;25;14;20 - 00;25;32;18
Dr Joe Dispenza
By combining a clear intention with an elevated emotion and all of a sudden you start to have these synchronicities and opportunities and coincidences happening your life. You're going to even begin to pay attention to what you did inside of you to produce that's outside of you. And now you've just gone from being a victim to remembering that you're the creator of your life.

00;25;32;18 - 00;25;36;05
Dr Joe Dispenza
And if you keep doing that enough times, you turn that battleship around.

00;25;36;08 - 00;25;57;07
Thais 
Absolutely. This is just incredible information. So so what do you think about and this might be sort of a difficult question to ask, very opinion based, but what do you think about depression and anxiety? What about somebody who says, oh, you know, I've been on antidepressants for 20 years, I'm stuck here, What would you tell somebody, given all the research that you've done on this?

00;25;57;10 - 00;26;28;11
Dr Joe Dispenza
Well, we have thousands of brain scans of people that have healed themselves of anxiety and depression. Now, think about it. Anxiety is picking the worst possible scenario if you're and then thinking I could think it could actually make it worse. What if this happens? What if that happens? And when the survival gene is activated, we always pick the worst case scenario in our mind and we begin to emotionally prepare for it, because anything less that happens, there's a better chance of survival because we're prepared.

00;26;28;18 - 00;26;49;09
Dr Joe Dispenza
So in survival, out of the infinite potentials in the quantum field, we're going to select the worst possible scenario and begin to emotionally embrace it with fear or anxiety. Combine that intention with the emotion over and over again. You start the conditioning process and you conditioned the body to subconsciously become the mind of anxiety and fear. It's not just in the brain, it's in the body.

00;26;49;11 - 00;26;58;18
Dr Joe Dispenza
So when the person has a panic attack or they lose control and they notice a change in their internal chemistry and they look around to see what's causing it outside of them, oh, it's a shopping mall.

00;26;58;22 - 00;27;00;05
Thais 
And there's no context for it.

00;27;00;07 - 00;27;25;07
Dr Joe Dispenza
Yeah, exactly. So. So then the person's worried about their next panic attack because they lost control and now they're caught in a loop. So anxiety then is obsessing about the worst thing that could happen in your future. And depression is continuously revisiting the past. And so you keep bringing up that past bitter memory that is tattooed in the recesses of your brain matter and you begin to emotionally bring up the emotions associated with it.

00;27;25;11 - 00;27;43;25
Dr Joe Dispenza
Your body's believing it's in the same past experience. Keep the process going, your conditioning the body into the past. You conditioned the body into hopelessness and powerlessness and you say, Come on, let's get up and go. And the body says, I'm not going anywhere. I'm conditioned into believing that my life is terrible because it's conditioned into the past.

00;27;43;25 - 00;28;08;24
Dr Joe Dispenza
So but when we break this pattern, those people we teach them that how to fall in to the generous present moment. We teach them how to re manage their attention and their energy back to the present moment. And you can't be anxious if you're in the present moment. You can't be depressed if you're in the present moment. And so funny because anxiety and depression are bedfellows, you know, they're bedfellows.

00;28;08;24 - 00;28;31;20
Dr Joe Dispenza
But so many functional brain scans show that most people have anxiety, have depression. Once you have depression and anxiety issues, you have some side of that same point. So then teaching people how to really fall into the present moment in the work that we do in the meditation suite we've used, we've had so many people break free from the chains of of, of this limitations And the side effect of that when they get beyond those emotions is joy.

00;28;31;21 - 00;28;33;21
Dr Joe Dispenza
And that's the natural state of being.

00;28;33;24 - 00;29;02;13
Thais 
That's amazing. That's amazing. I think that just gives so much hope to so many people that might feel stuck or trapped in that space. So beautiful. So you have a book coming out October 31st, and it's called Becoming Supernatural. What would you say? And the theme of it is how and how coming people do uncommon Things. And what would you say were three of the most important or empowering pieces of research that came up as you were researching and preparing to write this book?

00;29;02;15 - 00;29;28;04
Dr Joe Dispenza
I think the first thing is some of the brain scans that we've gotten. We've had so many supernatural measurements now that show people that they can tap into a resource of energy that will literally blow their minds. And when I say blow their mind, I'm saying that in the very literal sense we're capturing brainwave patterns and the amount of energy in the brain pretty much has never been recorded in the history of neuroscience.

00;29;28;04 - 00;29;46;18
Dr Joe Dispenza
And we're talking about hundreds of times the amount of energy in the brain when a person connects that field of information, all the quantum field and the arousal in the brain that's created is becoming a pattern which we can see. We could actually get it and we can induce it and we can see people that are going to fall into this place.

00;29;46;18 - 00;30;00;02
Dr Joe Dispenza
So we've gotten some really powerful measurements in the brain where the brain is in what's called the high gamma brainwave patterns. A person is super conscious and they're having a profound experience. I think that's that's important and that's replicable now.

00;30;00;02 - 00;30;09;00
Thais 
So and that's incredible. And just to clarify, they have a question. Is that similar to being in a flow like state or is that something completely different?

00;30;09;03 - 00;30;19;18
Dr Joe Dispenza
Well, I mean, when you're in that state, you're certainly flowing. But we're talking, you know, you see spikes of gamma in people that are in the zone, but we're talking global gorilla in the brain.

00;30;19;18 - 00;30;21;05
Thais 
We're like the totality.

00;30;21;07 - 00;30;41;07
Dr Joe Dispenza
Yes. So we'll give you an example. If you took a measurement of 100 people and you were measuring their eyesight as an example, you would see this bell curve and you would see it 68% of the people right down the middle of that majority of the people, we call that normal one standard deviation above or below, and you have about 12% or 16% in the second range.

00;30;41;07 - 00;30;55;18
Dr Joe Dispenza
This is like slightly better vision, slightly worse vision. And you have this like two and a half percent, which is really great vision, a really part of vision that makes up 99.7% of the population, whether I'm measuring height, eyesight, liver values, it's that.

00;30;55;18 - 00;30;57;09
Thais 
Bell curve when it wasn't there.

00;30;57;12 - 00;31;24;13
Dr Joe Dispenza
Okay, we're capturing that. So three standard deviations above three standard deviations below is 99.7% of the population. We're capturing energy in the brain in gamma, that's 200 or 300 standard outside of that normal range. So we're talking about supernatural measurements and that person is having a very transcendental moment. So we're now we can induce it and we now we can predict it.

00;31;24;13 - 00;31;44;27
Dr Joe Dispenza
So that's one thing. What's happening in our study in gene regulation, we we had we took our group of people and we measured their teen regulation, 7500 different genes, see if we could change their genetic expression in four days. At the end of four days, people making different choices, doing different things, having different experiences, thinking different ways, and feeling in different ways.

00;31;44;29 - 00;32;10;12
Dr Joe Dispenza
At the end of four days, eight genes in common amongst those people, genes to suppress cancer growth, genes for new genesis, and regenerating up new neurons in the brain, genes to suppress oxidative stress in the body, which means you're going to heal genes that activate stem cells that go to damaged tissues and repair the genes that build the immune system, all in just four days.

00;32;10;16 - 00;32;15;09
Dr Joe Dispenza
They upregulated genes for those type of changes. So that was a really important measurement.

00;32;15;11 - 00;32;34;28
Thais 
Wow. So, okay, I have to go back here for one second. So so I just got to talk about the impact of that. So for example, the first example that you used about how we can reach these really transcendental states, how how are you influencing these things? What's what experiments are you doing that well, allow people to tap into this?

00;32;35;01 - 00;32;39;09
Dr Joe Dispenza
I think I think it's better if you just read the books because I don't think.

00;32;39;12 - 00;32;40;20
Thais 
You.

00;32;40;23 - 00;33;16;28
Dr Joe Dispenza
I mean, I don't have enough time. But I will tell you this. We teach four types of meditation, a seated meditation, standing and walking meditation and laying down meditation. And I want people to be able to change their state in any one of those positions. Eyes closed, eyes open. And we're taking a very, very deep, very, very deep into meditation, into these levels of what we call theta brainwave patterns, where you're in that hypnotic state, where you're highly suggestible to information and theta helps to repair genes, theta helps to repair the body, reboot the nervous system, turn on the autonomic nervous system.

00;33;16;28 - 00;33;32;29
Dr Joe Dispenza
So so we have specific meditations that we do that are directly related to two specific outcomes that we want to create. So we do in as many ways as we can, but we get people thinking differently, acting differently and feeling differently. Really, that's the bottom line.

00;33;33;02 - 00;33;45;23
Thais 
Wow, that's incredible. And then going to the second piece of information you've just shared, which is amazing as well, just enough for a period, what is the impact of that? What does that tell us about our potential as human beings?

00;33;45;26 - 00;34;07;25
Dr Joe Dispenza
Well, I think I think it does two things. The first thing it does is I think it validates what we innately know that we can heal and we can change our future and change our destiny, that we're not doomed by our genes or hardwired to be a certain way for the rest of our lives, that we're marvels of adaptability and change, and that you don't have to be a Buddhist monk to be a nun with 40 years of devotion.

00;34;07;25 - 00;34;15;28
Dr Joe Dispenza
You don't you don't have to be a holy woman or a holy man or academic or a scholar. As a matter of fact, I think it's better off that you're not that common.

00;34;15;29 - 00;34;19;18
Thais 
You have all those programs that way. Absolutely.

00;34;19;20 - 00;34;44;04
Dr Joe Dispenza
And I think if you give people sound information and science is the contemporary language of mysticism, I think science demystifies the mystical and you combining quantum physics with neuroscience so neuro endocrinology or psycho immunology, epigenetics, all those sciences point of thing where possibility that information when people begin to understand what they're doing and why and they can assign meaning to why they're doing it, the how it gets easier.

00;34;44;04 - 00;35;01;13
Dr Joe Dispenza
So we teach people the model. They have to be able to explain the model. They have to be able to repeat it because they're wiring it in the brain, They're installing the circuitry in their brain, priming them for the experience. Yet you push those people into the experience and you have 750 or 1200 people in a room and everybody's going for it.

00;35;01;13 - 00;35;13;06
Dr Joe Dispenza
At the same time, they're going to start seeing changes, taking out collective consciousness, just like just like this, like an infection. It spreads amongst the community and creates disease.

00;35;13;08 - 00;35;14;07
Thais 
The opposite.

00;35;14;09 - 00;35;18;24
Dr Joe Dispenza
I think health and wellness are as infectious as disease, given the right conditions.

00;35;18;26 - 00;35;21;07
Thais 
That's incredible. It's also a statement.

00;35;21;10 - 00;35;39;14
Dr Joe Dispenza
So when someone stands up and says, I had cancer, I had breast cancer, I had me, I had M.S, I had, I had Hashimoto's syndrome. I had a rare genetic disorder that medical science had no solution for. I had colon cancer. And then I started changing my genetic expression and I saw the research. I saw someone else do it.

00;35;39;20 - 00;35;48;11
Dr Joe Dispenza
If they could do it, I could do it. They didn't look any different than me. And they start doing the work and one person pierces the veil like the four minute mile and.

00;35;48;15 - 00;35;50;26
Thais 
The other belief, Yeah.

00;35;50;28 - 00;36;20;27
Dr Joe Dispenza
You're changing, you're changing, changing the status, you're changing. The current beliefs of a culture and importance of that is that it's not so much that I want to prove to people that it's possible. I want to validate, I want to validate that it's happening. I want to show people that it is in fact happening. And if people's tumors are shrinking and the cancer is going away, I can say, well, well, that makes sense if you ask me why, Because, well, in four days we saw that the gene that actually suppresses cancer was activated in our students.

00;36;20;27 - 00;36;23;25
Dr Joe Dispenza
So it makes sense that that's possible, Right?

00;36;23;27 - 00;36;30;12
Thais 
Wow. Wow. This is incredible. Thank you. And what would you say the third most important piece of research is?

00;36;30;14 - 00;36;51;24
Dr Joe Dispenza
Oh, I think the most third and most important research has to do with the mystical that we have latent systems in our brain and in our body that allow us to tap into a field of information that causes us to realize we're not linear beings living a linear life, that we're dimensional beings living a potential life. And when a person has a full on sensory experience, yes.

00;36;51;26 - 00;37;12;19
Dr Joe Dispenza
Without their senses, yes, it means that their inner world is more real than their outer world. And all of a sudden that experience is going to change the circuitry in their brain and send a new emotional signature in their body. And if they even betrayed or traumatized in the past, in one instant, after that mystical moment, the past is washed away.

00;37;12;19 - 00;37;33;28
Dr Joe Dispenza
They just get a treat, they get an upgrade. And the side effect of that is we've seen hearing come back. We've seen people who have had eczema on their body for there since they were three months old completely disappear. And by the next day we've seen instant genius biological upgrades as a result of them getting closer to that field called the unified Field.

00;37;34;01 - 00;37;52;10
Thais 
But it's incredible. That is incredible. Thank you. And so but my last two questions for you today. I know we're running out of time. What's three most important? Okay. So outside of the book, what three most important either tools or pieces of wisdom would you share with everybody who's watching?

00;37;52;13 - 00;38;15;05
Dr Joe Dispenza
I would say, number one, your personality creates your personal reality. Your personality is made up of how you think, how you act and how you feel. So the present personality who's watching this show has created the present personal reality called Your Life, which then if you want to create a new personal reality, a new life, you have to change your personality, which means you're going to have to start thinking about what you're thinking about and change it.

00;38;15;07 - 00;38;29;21
Dr Joe Dispenza
You're going to have to become aware of your unconscious habits and behaviors and modify them. Then you have to look at those emotions that keep you anchored to the past and decide if those emotions belong to your most people. Try to create a new personal reality, has the same personality.

00;38;29;28 - 00;38;31;12
Thais 
Yeah, it doesn't work.

00;38;31;14 - 00;38;52;03
Dr Joe Dispenza
You literally have to become someone else. That's number one. Number two, I think important for people to realize that the hardest part about change is not making the same choices you did the day before. And when you decide to change something about yourself, whether you want to change your diet or wake up early or exercise or whatever moment you make that choice, you're going to feel to some degree uncomfortable.

00;38;52;06 - 00;38;55;16
Dr Joe Dispenza
That's good. That's not bad. That's actually good.

00;38;55;18 - 00;38;56;14
Thais 
That your comfort zone.

00;38;56;18 - 00;39;04;25
Dr Joe Dispenza
You're in the unknown now You're out of the habit of being yourself. And this is the perfect place to create from.

00;39;04;28 - 00;39;19;04
Thais 
Lastly, man, one thing really quickly and then I've heard that you can't really out will your subconscious, right? So it's almost like you have to keep making those, those patterns real so that they can become like unconscious competence. Those become hardwired into their as your new normal.

00;39;19;07 - 00;39;39;01
Dr Joe Dispenza
Yeah. And I think that the whole purpose of meditation, you know, what separates the conscious mind from the subconscious mind is the analytical mind. And the purpose of meditation is a slow your brainwaves down to get beyond your analytical mind and into the operating system. The subconscious mind is a program, it's a computer, it's a target. So when it's running, you can't enter it if it's running.

00;39;39;01 - 00;39;58;07
Dr Joe Dispenza
So. So you could be my computer, could be ten programs going, going crazy and me trying to change it with my conscious mind, the yelling at the computer, it's not going to do anything. But when I get into the operating system, then I can begin to make those changes. And so that attention is a great way to enter the operating system, so then we can reprogram it a lot easier.

00;39;58;07 - 00;40;03;22
Dr Joe Dispenza
You can't do it with your conscious mind. You got to be conscious in your subconscious mind. Imitation is about.

00;40;03;25 - 00;40;06;01
Thais 
So now I think.

00;40;06;03 - 00;40;23;23
Dr Joe Dispenza
The third thing really has to do with taking time for yourself and, and really every single day be defined by a vision of the future instead of the memories of the past. And I think most people believe in their past more than they believe in their future. I think more people are more in love with their past than they are in love with the future.

00;40;23;25 - 00;40;36;01
Dr Joe Dispenza
And I think that most people keep telling the story of their past instead of telling the story of the future. And I think it's easier to lose your vision than to keep it. But those people who keep revealing that vision and emotionally.

00;40;36;01 - 00;40;37;23
Thais 
Checking back in, yeah.

00;40;37;25 - 00;40;57;14
Dr Joe Dispenza
What happens is, is that you become a scientist in your life, which is you start measuring the effects of you at cause. You start noticing your outer world changing as a result of you changing your inner world. And it doesn't matter the color of your skin, what type of food you eat, how old you are, where you're from, if you're wealthy, if you're poor, what religion you came from.

00;40;57;14 - 00;41;10;07
Dr Joe Dispenza
None of that matters. That's just all window dressing that all human beings have the capacity to do. That's this. And nobody is so special to be excluded from this phenomena. Well.

00;41;10;09 - 00;41;34;12
Thais 
Well. Wow. This is some powerful stuff. Well, thank you. Those are all just incredible insights. Read your book. Oh, my goodness. I can't wait to get it. And what is coming up next for you as my last question, I know people can find out more about you on the link up at Dr. Joe Dispenser dot com. But what is coming up next for you that you participated in with you?

00;41;34;15 - 00;41;53;28
Dr Joe Dispenza
I'm going to I'm going to be in 14 or 15 different cities before Christmas. Somehow we run we run events all over the world. I'll be in Barcelona tomorrow. I'll fly to Barcelona with the Capelli Yoga Center. Now we just finished a great weekend here. I'll be in London. We have a big event that might be sold out in London.

00;41;54;00 - 00;42;05;18
Dr Joe Dispenza
And then? Then I'm going to do an event in Croatia that I'll be in Santa Cruz and then I'll be in Costa Rica. And I'll be in Austin. I'll be in Rosenheim. I'll be Barcelona. I'll be in Rome. I'll just I'm going just.

00;42;05;18 - 00;42;15;20
Thais 
Everywhere over the place. That's incredible. And so people can go on your website and find out more about these events, participate in any online seminars. You have loads to any of us, correct?

00;42;15;20 - 00;42;26;28
Dr Joe Dispenza
Yeah. Yeah. I think, you know, the magic happens really well if you come to an event and I think you have an opportunity to be in and out of meditation the entire weekend and really begin to make some fundamental changes.

00;42;27;00 - 00;42;37;25
Thais 
Beautiful. Absolutely beautiful. And again, your book comes out October 31st. Can't wait. Thank you so much for this interview. This is incredibly powerful and I think it's going to really impact a lot of people.

00;42;37;27 - 00;42;39;22
Dr Joe Dispenza
Thank you so much for doing the work, too.

00;42;39;22 - 00;42;41;15
Thais 
Thank you. Thank you.